Okay, I've read the hype on different magazines, and newspapers, watched all the idiot politicians and some (dare I say stupid) priests scurrying about like little rats on a sinking ship because of this movie.

I watched the movie... so... Jesus and Mary Magdalene are husband and wife.... SO?

I don't get what all the fuss is about?

Now, this morning I wake up to news that the movie was actually banned in Manila as demanded by some 'righteous' polioticians and religious leaders, on the sole pretense that it is blasphemous, and it can sway the beliefs of Catholics... and I say....

COME THE F*CK ON!!!!!!!!!!!

It's a FICTIONAL MOVIE based on some existing contexts that were twisted, and exagerrated by ahutor Dan Brown to attract attention!!!!

It's obvious that some of these politicians are just TOO BORED NOT DOING ANYTHING over at Congress and the Senate that they have to pick on this movie, just to have something to say!

I am more shocked at some Catholic priests and nuns joining in the fray!

I do not want to start any political, or religious debate about this, but all I want to know from these a$$holes is..

Is your faith in your beliefs and your fellow Christians THAT shallow?

They're trying to debunk FICTION. LOL!

In fact, Dan Brown stated in his novel that there are ONLY 3 FACTS. The rest are fiction. I don't see these so-called moralists debunking the 3 facts. Only the fiction. LOL!

where have you lived if you're shocked that more than a few bishops, priests and nuns want the movie banned?! I'd be shocked if they didn't!!! They tried banning Harry Potter for crying out loud!

I've not read the book. What's it about?

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hehehehe.

movie not gonna do book justice. period.

I'll be shocked if they don't ban The Omen after all this.

Now that I wouldn't complain about. :devil:

A lot of Catholics in the Philippines are religious fanatics with single track minds. Politicians, probably just following suit to gain support from the catholics in the future as well. Everything is usually for show in Politics.

LOL! :sweatface:

Well, I'm 'shocked' to a certain degree.

I mean, does it really only take a movie or a book with glamorized (read: twisted and exagerrated) facts to sway them from the faith and belief system that they built up practically their entire lives?

From how things are going, it looks like it's IS that way, well, I say f*ck them! They DO NOT deserve to wear those holy robes they hide under, and they don't deserve to preach the 'good word' either because they're hypocrites.

I don't like Mike Velarde, but I lauded him for saying that they (those idiot politicians and religious hypocrites) should "not underestimate the intelligence of the Filipino people (or something to that effect)" and let them watch the movie.



Well, The Omen is primarily based on the prophecies in the Book Of Revelations. There aren't any blasphemous contents there, not that saying Jesus and Mary Magdalene got married is because it isn't. :glare:

Making a fuss over a fictional movie about Catholic faith? Kinda stoopid if you ask me.

They want people not to watch the movie, right? What they're actually doing is triggering the people's curious minds on why they're giving a big fuss about it, which eventually leads people to watch the film to fulfill their own curiosity.

That's what majority of the intelligent population has already been saying. It's just that these religious fanatics never really learn their lesson. :sweatface:

or maybe they have stock riding on the DaVinci Code movie and everything's an elaborate (well not so elaborate if it's just reverse psychology) ruse to make us all watch it! :shocked:

Good point Kuni. Maybe they do have some vested interest in the movie.

But personally, I wish the Vatican handled it with a little more cool. It's frightening that they have to bash people over the head with what's real and what's not. I want to think that the world is bright enough to know the difference. To know it's only a movie.

Then again, this is planet Earth. We're not noted for being smart.

Anyway, the reaction to the film is rather low key. Some people complained about the pacing and the film felt too long. Tom Hanks sure looks different with foppish hair don't he?

Yup, elf. This is planet earth! :laugh: and as such, legions of people didn't think the book was just a book.

but I have a feeling it shouldn't be the same case with the movie. but it somehow will, albeit to a lesser degree.

Problem here in the country is that those making all the big fuss haven't even touched the book. They just heard that its about Jesus and Mary Magdalene being husband and wife so they get to the cameras and say the Da Vinci film is blasphemy. Another TV time for the politicians.

Very true.

I believe it was Secretary Ermita who was quoted as saying "no I haven't read the book, but I heard enough about it's contents to say it's blasphemous"

Stupid f*ckers! :angryfire:

I heard that the movie will be banned either in Manila or the whole Metro Manila starting Monday. Hope it's just a rumor since I haven't seen the film yet and this coming Monday will be the day I'll see it.

If the rumored ban is true, I expect pirates at Quiapo will be having a field day/week as buyers will flock their stalls once more to get their own copies to watch it at home. :sweatface:

Kinda makes you wonder what muslims, hindus, buddhists and those of other faiths are thinking about all this fuss eh? :rofl:

lol. I hope that some people grow positively because of all the commotion. I want people to at least get something out of this. I hope people take the opportunity to look into themselves, and find out / recall who Jesus is, and how they can be more like him.

or commit the last taboo: ditching their religion. :laugh:

Actually the movie is banned. In the city of Manila only, not Metro Manila. Which is oh, so easy to get out of. Seriously, one bus ride and its not even a long one :laugh:

About the pirates, quoting from a news "article"

Why would they jail the pirates for distributing The Da Vinci code and not for piracy? In an amazing lack of judgement piracy suddenly becomes legal in the Philippines :shocked:

If ya ask me, the church banning or trying to debunk The Da Vinci Code makes you wonder:
1. What are they thinking(or if they're thinking at all), its freakkin' FICTION
2. That they think they're back in the middle ages where the church had control over the press (which is as clear as the computer I post this on the internet, we're not)
3. That we're all a bunch of slackjaws (because they think we're going to do as they say) :tongue:

I can't really fault people debunking the Da Vinci Code, even if it is fiction, because people believe it or have come to doubt their faith because of it.

I can fault Eddie V. for calling people who read the book and watched the movie as gullible tho. I guess he's one of the idiot politicians we talk about! Doesn't he know that DaVinci Code has merits as an excellent thriller? Watching him speak last night, it didn't seem like he read the book or watched the movie. Gullible, he called people who read the book. Not curious, not bandwawgoners/sheep/mindless zombies, but gullible. Gullible why? For giving money to satan?

Philippine politicians just want TV time no matter what they are going to say. Even if it makes them stupid. It's still publicity and the elections are nearing (next year there will be one). Eddie V...man of God...or so he says he is. He just contradicted himself by running for president.

Eddie V is a HYPOCRITE!

His idiot politician son is no better.

These two morons are probably two of the BIGGEST father and son tandem A55HOLES in the Philippines, maybe next to Jinggoy, JV, and Erap being on top. :tongue:

On the topic... I think it's really sad that these personalities have to use a book/movie, and even that they know JACK about, to make TV Time, and try to 'show' their constituents that they are God-loving and God-fearing folk that want to make sure their fellow men don't go to hell.


.... they can kiss my big black A55!!!

My mom voted for Eddie V. LOL!

Thank gawd, I didn't. I know GMA is hardly any better, but she works hard. And I don't see her wasting time on trivial matters such as these.

PEOPLE, the country is awash with poverty and many other societal illnesses that no amount of preaching will fix. Stop yapping about trivial pursuits and do something productive!

just watched the movie. did not read the book, and I'm kinda pissed that the ending is so telegraphed. :sweatface:

Paul Bettany gets naked in EVERY movie he makes. (it sure feels that way!) but he commands tremendous respect because he's married to Jennifer Connelly. :buck: yep, he's the man.

The movie in itself IS blasphemous though, if we're going by the standards set forth by the government in banning DVC in Manila. Jesus and Mary Magdalene getting married is supposedly blasphemous because Mary Magdalene is SUPPOSEDLY a former prostitute (Where that idea came from, I will never understand. It's NOWHERE in the Bible.).

On the other hand, The Omen features a lot of Satanist worship overtures, occult paraphernalia, and priest killing, among other things.

Furthermore, the basis of "insulting religion" is VERY broad and also applies to films like Little Nicky, and True Lies, the latter, which featured MUSLIM terrorists.

EDIT: A thought just occurred to me. People who decry Da Vinci Code by writing books AGAINST it are about as guilty of milking a cash cow as Dan Brown is.

And hypocritical at the same time, too.

I've always been thinking of the exact same thing. They're riding on Dan Brown's popularity, the way I see it.

I also had the same idea about Hentai Neko. Some guys will make a big deal about supposedly getting into a quarrel with me and if their readers aren't sure about who I was, the writers would enumerate my credentials to prove how the writers made a quarrel with a popular person. (Kyubi Kitsune found a blog that had this kind of content.) LOL! I kinda find it funny. Like I'm some sort of claim to fame or something.

So I suppose, even though I'm a much much smaller person...I could relate to Dan Brown in a way. :rofl:

LOLZ!
I remembered when True Lies first came out! The Malaysian govt and many religious groups here condemned it.Got it banned too.That never stopped my dad from buying a tape several months later though.The movie was bad though and probably the first of my many non-fav Arnold movie.Very hollow and inaccurate depiction of many things to say the least.


As for the Da Vinci code, like I have posted in the recent movie thread somewhere....I found the move entertaining and yet I understood why the whole thing got so much heat by the Christian community,eventhough I'm a non-Christian myself.People here are so and so about the whole thing though coz a lot of us feel like the whole 'bad press' thing is probably intended by the people who actually made the movie(Sony pictures and all) since any press is good press hence free publicity etc.

However, I must admit that there's also a lot of Christian groups doing their part over here to deter people from watching the movie though.When I went to watch the movie at Golden Screen Cinema-OU, a group of old Chinese ladies was out and about at the Da Vinci Code promo roadshow booths passing out brochures,pamphelets and stuff.Caught several young fine looking boothgirls got into a minor argument with some of these old ladies but cooler heads prevailed in the end.....that and thanks to some security personnel. :sweatface:



Good point over there,Vold-man.Indeed. :ok:
Ya just can't be killin' the cow while milking it at the same time,ya know?It's just plain wrong. :laugh:

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Yeah, I think this says it all. :P

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There's a fine line between scenes that blaspheme, and the movie itself being blasphemy.

A lot of the satanic worship shown in the movie 'The Omen' is just a depiction of man's blasphemous acts in a movie, while the 'DaVinci Code' movie ITSELF is considered a blasphemy, and those idiots even say that the mere act of WATCHING the movie, or READING the book IS blasphemy.



As for 'terrorists' I think WHO the terrorist is depends on the POV of the individual.

For example, many western and first world countries consider Muslim Extremists as terrorists, whilst the Americans, lead by Bush are considered heroes of the free world.

Try going to any war torn country in the Middle East, and they'll tell you that Bush is a tyrant and terrorist, and the Extremists are 'saints.'

Ah, but the standard was determined by the government. Ergo, they MUST be consistent. Or else they are obviously just singling DVC out.

I mean, suddenly, they clamp down on pirated DVC copies.

Never mind if you pirate ANYTHING ELSE, but if you pirate Da Vinci, you go to jail.

Wow. Talk about singling it out.

Well, the Government is run by a55holes... what can we expect to come out of them? :laugh:

i've read the book, i love the book. i haven't seen the movie but my mom is already forbidding me to see it. why? because once it becomes a hit (which is what it is now) other blasphemous movies will start showing. sheesh.
this is one request for her that i will never ever do. i'm sorry. she's like forbidding me to have s*x. ^_^;; for months, i endured not watching the trailers. i've already anticipated this movie for like a year and you're going to forbid me?! hell no.

anyway, i don't see what the fuss is all about. so what if Jesus got married?! i honestly think if he really is married then good, at least he's not as "unreachable" as we think. Jesus being married at least shows his human side. it doesn't mean that once you're married you can save/serve you followers. of course you can, you just don't let both things get mixed.

besides, with the long history of Catholicism. bad things really did happen. it just so happen the leaders are good in hiding it.
ex. when priests were still allowed to get married. popes would spend the money of the church to their families.
and many other stories.

LOL! That's funny, Rin. You're married with a kid. Moms have to remember it's time to let go. ^^;;;

Well, the thing is, the whole Magdalene's burial and the overzealous Christians coming to destroy her ek ek can't be true. If they were true, then Goddess worshippers all over the world would decry that the movie exposed the location of her sarcophagus, thereby endangering her corpse.

Let me play Devil's advocate for a moment here.

The fuss is comparable on a smaller scale to the fuss over the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Jews KNOW it's fiction, but people who believed those lies ended up supporting the Holocaust.

The fact that somewhere down the road, Magdalene was ASSSUMED (Read the Bible. It's not said there ANYWHERE.) to be the adulterous whore who was supposed to be stoned appals the conservative Catholics about the film. "Our Lord and Savior, married to a prostitute?!? Oy, vey!" would be how they think about this.

But what gets to me is that it's the government that acts out more than the church itself. Hades, look at Opus Dei. They aren't even flinching over the film, and my admiration for Opus Dei has definitely been strengthened by how they carried themselves.

The Catholic Church is far from perfect, and I believe that in the absence of the last Pope, this Pope is grasping at straws to save face because the church is currently riddled with controversies, including the pedophilic priests in the U.S., and the pressure against the apparent misogyny and homophobia of the clergy despite having gay priests and nuns. While the Pope never called for a banning, his dismissal of the film as blasphemous is a clear and present throwback to pre-Vatican II book-burning days.

My mom, who's a devout Catholic and thinks that DVC might mislead more people, did tell me that Mary Magdalene hailed from the blood of King David. Just like Jesus.




Um, we should've expected this already. He did take the name of the previous Pope Benedict, who was known to disapprove of basic women's rights (such as voting etc). So I'm not really taking Vatican seriously these days. In fact, compared to the former pope, you don't hear so much news about the Vatican nowadays. If they're concentrating more on DVC than what's going on around the world, then they shouldn't wonder why they aren't as newsworthy as JPII.

I am a huge Jesus lover and love religion. I heard all of this talk about DVC so i decided to go see the movie. I expected the movie to suck and i was proven wrong. Since EVERYONE is saying this movie is PURE FICTION why do people get so bent out of shape over it. The book was successful so not making a movie would be a waste to the Ron Howard. I liked the movie and i love Jesus.

In the movie they state that the Catholic Churce started preaching Mary as a whore so it would disaprove any thoughts of her being Jesus's wife. That i could easily believe.

If everyone is saying its false and lies why debate it. Its a freaking movie and book, people come on. So being on a board that deals with Anime/Hentai isn't blasphmy but suggesting Jesus was married is? That sounds stupid. If Jesus was married so what. I wouldn't want to see my savior be lonely like that. One of the greatest gifts from god is to start a family. So Jesus being the son of god and not experiencing anything like that sounds unfair in my opinion.

So to sum it all up again: IT'S A MOVIE!!!!!!!!! THEY SAID ITS FALSE!!!!!!!!! SEEING A MOVIE IS NOT BLASPHMY!!!!!!!!

Err, if you notice, the people in "the board that deals with hentai" are all saying what you're saying. ^^;;; (Basically, that we're not against DVC, but are laughing at people who kept getting bent out of shape over it. So please re-read the previous posts and please don't make comparisons about these boards and those idiots in the government seats, onegai. :biggrin:)


For the record, though, the webmistress of "the board that deals with hentai" is a Goddess worshipper. I don't know if that means anything to the people that believe Jesus is married, but I sure as heck am the last person to be casting stones on a fictional movie.

True. I guess I was just too used to the last Pope. It felt very comforting to have the man around, and in his place, we have Pope Benedict... who immediately threw back to Pre-Vatican II by disallowing holding of hands during the "Our Father", which is a CULTURAL thing already, which is precisely what Vatican II was supposed to be upholding in allowing masses to be celebrated in the vernacular.

sad to say she doesn't know that meaning. ^_^;;

so what if magdalene was a prostitue or a adulterous woman?! what's the big deal about it. people can be so judgemental sometimes.

Well, from a VERY fundamental point of view (Again, not my view. I'm only playing devil's advocate. For Catholics. How ironic that they NEED a DEVIL'S advocate...), and from Jewish laws, even, partaking of an unclean woman makes one unclean as well.

If Christ does so, by Jewish law, He is unclean as well, therefore, no longer the human being par excellence that he is supposed to be. It casts a lot of doubt on His status of perfection in that respect.

And as I said, while Jews knew that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion was fiction, this work of fiction led to the holocaust. In a similar but less graphic scale, some Catholics are perturbed in the same way.

i've seen the movie, i prefer the book more.

the movie helped me understand the things i didn't understand while i was reading the book. i find the movie slow unlike in the book wherein it is so fast pace.

i thought tom hanks could pull it off. but i was so wrong. he couldn't carry the character of robert langdon. however i did love the rest of the cast :)

the topics raised in the book and in the movie are so old issues....


i can't wait for them to make angels & demons! i prefer this over dvc.

i can't wait to see the reaction of religious groups because issues raised here are more contoversial. hehehe!

Although its a fiction, I find the idea disturbing. I mean, I never thought of Jesus being married to anyone.

But I like the puzzles and all those treasure hunt :D

I think im the only one here believes that the church is doing the right thing to ban it. Its too bad DVC is such a good book. If only it didn't implicate Jesus or any religion in it.

I was going to watch the movie yesterday but I forgot that it was banned in Manila. I ended up watching X-Men 3. :laugh:

On DVC, I found the book very good as I am a fan of thrillers. And I agree with rinoa that Angels and Demons is better than DVC. The plot is better. And it's just as controversial. I liked the 'Science vs Religion' thingy.

Let me correct you. The GOVERNMENT and only the government can ban the movie. The church can only pressure them in that direction, and not even the CBCP did so. Only some splinters of the church did.

I'd like to explore your reasons for wanting it banned. Is a married Jesus Christ really THAT big a deal as to undermine His divinity in your eyes?

Furthermore, given the criteria established by the government in banning Da Vinci Code, would you say that they should, in order to NOT be guilty of singling out only DVC, ALSO ban The Omen?

Just asking.

was Dogma banned in the Philippines? I don't remember it showing in theaters here and it was a helluvalot more offensive than DVC.

I haven't see the movie, but i already read the book. Though i'm not a Catholic myself (A protestant, i am), why all the fuss? I mean, c'mon, we have been told about how graceful He is and all, and there come this movie that said to be blasphemous...Yeah right. How come you can be easily swayed? Have faith in what you believe, not what the others told you!

hey voldee, ChIyO didn't say the church banned it, she said "the church is doing the right thing to ban it."

Dogma's a great movie, I don't think it got to the theatres here. Silent Bob's independent, s'why, I think.

okay, so Dogma didn't air locally but did it generate anywhere near the same levels of heat DVC is getting?

I dunno if she was a prostitute, though. She prolly wasn't. ^^

And yeah, I completely love Angels and Demons and prefer it over DVC, too!

It's better to take precautions by encouraging people (especially those who are weak in faith) not to watch DVC or read it. It's nothing to do with His divinity. He's still Christ no matter how many writers fabricate a story about Him.

There are people who tend to believe in a fiction because fictions are based on facts/reality. And the book is attacking the Catholics.... Just an observation.

no, ninjapeps, it didn't. and I think it shouldn't. I don't think the real issue is blasphemy or offensiveness, but credibility: how DVC made a lot of people believe many of the ideas in the movie/book that goes directly against catholic beliefs.

I haven't read the book, but I've watched the the movie. In the movie, Teabing claims Jesus was not God, only a man and that the bible was put together only by Emperor Constantine. Aren't those are the foundations of catholic faith? The reliability of the bible is in question, nevermind the Opus Dei and Pope Clement V!

I agree with the church's effort to debunk DVC - I think it's the only rational and responsible response to the fact that people have started to believe a lot of the things contained in the book because of the book.