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Larghaz
Like the topic says, please answer this question honestly and seriously.

How wrong do you think it is to view pornography of any kind? (Pornography includes real life porn, hentai, adult games, adult comics, etc.)
Lou Pane DeTourd
If it weren't wrong it would not be any fun! :biggrin:

The bigger question is if you think VIEWING it is wrong, you should experience the feelings I get drawing or painting it. It can really leave you with some heavy morality conflicts because as you create or craft, there is no excuse to hide from,
It's a good thing I had understanding parents who knew the value of art , to a creative mind. I still have dilemma's depicting a woman's vagina, a bad mental/moral block, but breasts I have no qualms over, they simply are too beautiful and deserve my admirations. :biggrin:
Malachi
No, definitely not... if you're over the age limit that is. Eros is a natural part of our human nature, why try to supress it? Of course, there are certain times and places for these things... and a certain level of control must be exercised.

If a little is good, then more must be very bad for you. :biggrin:
BlueFlame
It becomes wrong if you're fond of reading, playing, or doing it at the wrong place, time, and situations.

Example: One time I've seen a guy rode in the jeepney, then he brought out and read a smut tabloid inside showing porn images of sex, without feeling any shame that his seatmates are women. I think that all passengers there thought that he's one perverted guy that can't control his libido, but that guy felt nothing as he's like a stone in public.

My point: Everything has it's limits. Food, work, study, sex, etc.. Learning to control it will show you're a strong-willed person.
skysenshi
Hm.... Kinda hard to answer in black or white. Or yes or no. I think pornography helps a lot of people in different ways, but they should be in the right place and the right time. (I mean, we need sperm donors...and married people who haven't had sex need porn...we need creativity in our sex lives...)

I am against pornography if it's just being sold out on the streets (like with my country's case). They should be kept out of reach of children.


I am against censorship, but...like I said, there's a time and place for it.
pesmerga99
Depends on the one viewing 'em:

Lil' Children: Of course wrong!
Legal Adults: Nothing here...
Teens with raging hormones: Yes, for those who are in the right state of mind, No for those who are not.
Malachi
Well... teenagers and pre-teens would be the wrong people to give out stuff like that to... they're young, impressionable, and very, very easy to manipulate. Plus their raging horomones make them susceptible to making the wrong choices at such a young age... believe me, it happens.

I should know... I was one of them(part of the former, not the latter!) :laugh:

But I digress... and re-stress my point:

Pornography should definitely be put under strict controland supervision... I'm not a prude, but even a big baka can see that the distribution of this *ahem* artform, has gone on way too lax. DO NOT let the bouncy "assets" of the Viva Hot Babes tell you otherwise! :laugh:

Hell, even kids at the age of 14 or lower can get their hands on these things! And THAT, is just SO wrong...
Demoncaller777
I'm gonna say no. The reason the make an age limit to it is so that kids won't just think of women as sex objects when they grow up, and go out raping. So as far as I'm concerened as long as you know how to treat people right, then some porn won't change it. As long as your raised right porn isn't gonna change anything.
elfboy
If you're watching porn because you want to, then there's no wrong.
If you're forcing other people to watch porn because you want to, then I'm calling the police.

If you're making porn because you want to, then there's no wrong.
If you're forcing other people to make porn because you want to, let me get my video camera... uh, I mean I'm calling the police.
John
the act of viewing it for the first few times is in itself blameless.
but if not done in moderation, and if produces effects that would lead to bad things
then of course that's bad.
depends on a LOT of things really, the maturity of the viewer, the content of the material, the frquency of viewing, the time and place...
Larghaz
The Christian Church has deemed the viewing of Pornography as a sin. A sin to view pornography of any sort, and I for one agree.

True that the human body is a temple, that is why it must not be demeaned and/or degraded by displaying it for the sake of pleasure and/or monetary gain. If it is for the sake of art, then let the naked human body be displayed for all to see. Intercourse, is another sacred act. It is the ultimate expression of love that two people can give each other. The act of love making is supposed to be between two people, the two people who are involved in the act. It's no spectator sport that should be seen by other people. Sex for fun is alright as long as the two people concerned are doing it for procreation and for the expression of their love for each other.

Me, well I'm quite addicted to almost all kinds of pornography, and like I've said I know that it's wrong. I've even made fun of a statue of the Virgin Mary that was broken (by broken I mean that the sculpture had a hole somewhere where her thighs are supposed to be) saying that "Hindi na siya virgin (She's not a virgin anymore)" and I am aware that, that too was something I shouldn't have done. But I cannot keep myself from viewing it repeatedly.

I've tried to change before, but thse attempts were in vain. Everytime I revert back, I seem to be more addicted to it, realizing dormant fetishes and getting new ones.

Guess I kinda got a little too preachy there. But it's my most honest opinion.
Demoncaller777
Hmmm...well if you're saying all this about porn involving humans, then what about hentai? It's different right? It's not actually occuring and nothings being demeaned...so...
Larghaz
QUOTE (Demoncaller777 @ Jul 29 2004, 12:31 AM)
Hmmm...well if you're saying all this about porn involving humans, then what about hentai? It's different right? It's not actually occuring and nothings being demeaned...so...

Hentai has the potential to be worse than porn my friend. Remember, they usually depict rape and/or bestiality.
skysenshi
QUOTE (Larghaz @ Jul 29 2004, 12:29 PM)
The Christian Church has deemed the viewing of Pornography as a sin. A sin to view pornography of any sort, and I for one agree.

Well, now you know one of the millions of reasons why I turned my back on Christianity and embraced polytheism. My parents are still Christians, though. Sadly, I disagree with 90% of their views.
Demoncaller777
Dude, you made good point with the rape and beastiality...Hmmm...must think of a good counterview....Ummm...well...I must think this over...
elfboy
No people or animals were harmed in the creation of hentai.

p/s: About Christianity. The Church may try to enforce its views and laws, but God gave us free will to make that choice ourselves. True, we should not despoil our own bodies, but the worst offenders are people who benefit from such exploitation.

Porno producers, rapists, people who have serial sex without protection, pimps.

I'm a Roman Catholic (anal as can be), and I disagree with the roman catholic church on a lot of grounds. But I'm not about to make them chase me out of what I want to believe, just because they think it's wrong. hey, I believe in God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. You got a problem with that, take it up with the Supreme Being upstairs.

p/p/s: As Eddie Griffith said in his stand up. "How come Christians are the ones who wanna send you to hell the most?" Smoke some weed, Bam! 'You're going to hell!' Have some sex, Whoosh 'You're going straight to hell, sinner."

(or something like that).

Yeah, how come us Christians say, "Go to hell, you muthaf*cker" so damn much?
Demoncaller777
I'm also a christian, but I'm not one of those hardcore ones. Porn isn't in the ten commandments right? I guess I'm just a "looser" Christian.
pesmerga99
QUOTE (Demoncaller777 @ Jul 31 2004, 06:08 AM)
I'm also a christian, but I'm not one of those hardcore ones. Porn isn't in the ten commandments right? I guess I'm just a "looser" Christian.

It's there...part of the 6th commendment. I used to report on that during my high school days (3x infact :sweatface: ), so I know how it goes. Anyways, I'm not gonna go into full details since it'll be a violation of the rules. Just some FYI... :)
Demoncaller777
Seriously? Crap. Guess I'm gonna have to check those out again...
Sesshomarulocked
I believe that Elfboy is right as well. I'm a catholic and I have proven (see same sex marriages topic) that I could care less about any sort of pornography (minus the type that involves the children) as a matter of fact I view most of it myself. (minus the porn, Plus the hentai.) I still don't believe I am going to hell. Even though I probably could still go there and I should probably stop telling people that they will not only die but they will also go to hell. meh
nib
Well if I could just drop my perv side for the sake of argument... (:rofl: )

I think it's basically wrong. Porn+Human Nature = Wrong. No matter how you try to justify how necessary or harmless it is. And it gets worse the more you cant' do without it. Porn, like all other avenues of instant gratification often subscribed to by our so-called "human nature", has the potential to be abused. There's always that possibility that it'll be taken in excess and out of due consideration, which then begets the possibility of other negative and derogatory consequences, and so on... :ok: Porn will forever be deemed wrong simply because of that little margin for error.

As to how wrong it is, I just think it's the wrong question to ask regarding porn. I don't actually see the point in grading how wrong something is when almost all of the answers you get make use of "depends" a lot :buck: (not to provoke Largy or any of the posters). Besides what more would the knowledge of how wrong something is do if knowing it's wrong alone doesn't change things? We're so keen on knowing what's wrong, but what do we do when we finally know what's right?

Porn's wrong, no doubt about that for me. Now if you really need to know how wrong it is, then try defeating the arguments that porn is necessary, safe and or helpful. If you disagree somewhere along the way, then congratulations you must be getting a few answers... :ok:
CutePinkPearl
It's as wrong as finding another person physically attractive, it's natural... It's only to what degree you take it that it's nature becomes questionable.
IceBlue
I'm agreeing with elfboy's first one

QUOTE
If you're watching porn because you want to, then there's no wrong.
If you're forcing other people to watch porn because you want to, then I'm calling the police.

If you're making porn because you want to, then there's no wrong.
If you're forcing other people to make porn because you want to, let me get my video camera... uh, I mean I'm calling the police.


People do have the freedom to choose what they will do, of course it is wrong to have minors watching it, I also think: if that las thing happened, that one minor will need more information that others in order not to grow up being some kind of inhuman lusty beast, I think that is the only thing that matters here, but you don't have to agree with me, after all I'm just a crazy atheist.
demiurge
Well, moral...
The first thing is that moral changes, changes at an alarming speed. What doesn't change is ethics, that's written in stone, that's what i think at least. I'll get to the point, and i'm agreeing to efboy and iceblue. One thing isn't right or wrong per se. Is right or wrong what you do with it.
If you watch hentai knowing what it is, and that it's for fun, that's one thing. If you're watching hentai to learn how to rape every woman in your nearest hospital and not getting caught... well, you're really sick (and you're using the wrong learning tool also :) ), and that's not because you want to do it, it's because every woman in that hospital do not want to be raped by you.
From my point of view, if you watch hentai and that fact doesn't harm anyone (and letting a minor watch a tentacle raping a girl IS HARM), that's ok. It's your life and you're big enough (i hope you're 18+) to know what to do with it.

And thats my highly subjective point of view.
John
the topic started as:

How wrong do you think it is to view pornography of any kind? (Pornography includes real life porn, hentai, adult games, adult comics, etc.)

there. "HOW" wrong

i agree with a loose fiber in this thread that says "let's not try and find out whether porn is wrong or right" (something to that effect)

i think it is easier for all of us to make decisions and comments based on our OWN, PERSONAL thoughts and feelings on HOW wrong or HOW right is it, meaning i'll try to answer the thread by giving a number to show the gravity of how wrong it is. on a scale of one to ten, ten being very wrong, one being slightly askewed from the path of morality, i would rate veiwing porn as a 5.
as based on the topic, how wrong is it, i would like to make the point that "it exactly corresponds to the amount of viewing"
John
heck i should have just answered " it is very wrong if you view it very often" :sweatface:
Tomiko Wa Kawaii!
if subjected to today's morality, porn is immoral or wrong. (who knows? maybe in the future, it won't be! in the past, you can stone a person to death if guilty, now you can't depending where you live - just an example.)

morality changes although it's essence is almost absolute.

in any case, even if something is viewed by most people either right or wrong, ultimately, one's freedom to choose will prevail. so if you view porn (or make one) feel free to do so. but always remember that there's always a corresponding responsibility (read as consequence) for doing so.

so i won't go condemning someone as immoral for liking porn. what i will respect
is one's freedom to choose. although in my humble pathetic opinion (my exercise of freedom), porn is overrated. hentai isn't. just kidding about the hentai part. :sweatface:
crow666
The only stuff I find morialy wrong are kiddy porn or snuff. Other then that, to each their own as long as it stays on the screen or behind closed doors.
llewserc
There is no black and white answer, rather it depends on the type of person veiwing the smut. I would say, if you have sexual feelings, then its okay, typically this excludes children. Also, no lolita porn as it is just wrong , as is snuff or serious bodily harm. Other than that, its all up to personal preference.

AHHHH! Sailor Moon Amputee porn?!?!
manji317
Porn is fine as long as you don't take it too far. No strange obsesions that inhibit normal sexuality or hurts anyone(too much :wink:). I think child pornography is wrong but pretty much everything else is fine.

But then again if people didn't make it seem wrong would it be so fun :wink: :biggrin:
Highlander
It sick.People who whatch kids naked they must be mental retarded
Aldon
Personally I don't think the question of morality is THAT you view it, but HOW you view it.

if you watch porn and hentai for the... *ahem* fun of it, thats fine, its natural for people to find other people physically attractive.

If you watch porn and hentai and actually think that women/men/tentac-ahem are objects, then thats where it becomes immoral.

18+ is great and all but if you're younger but more matured mentally, there shouldn't be a problem with watching it either.

Bleh, I'm not very elloquent.
sushigirl51
I don't think it's wrong at all.(the problem comes when people become addicted and they'd rather view porn that be active with a partner.) Humans have practically always made porn, we used to draw it on cave walls and in our religious art as a form of honoring fertility gods. Porn is like anything,it satisfies a curiousity and helps move information and ideas. It gives us things to fantasize about and in some cases try out to a degree, or can even handle those desires that we can't nessacerily act out.
anime_miz
I DON'T support kids being exposed to this stuff at all healthy. If you don't have to choice to watch this material, then it can be labeled as abuse.

People exposed to this stuff when when young you develop a very splicted view of society. It is a sad reality, because being exposed to pornography when young does things to the kid's psyche and that would lead years of damage in terms of being a loner and not at all comfrotable around people.

Sex is not a dirty act, society makes it that way and then there are deviations from that... just watch it in moderation and don't let it take over one's life.
Tiamat_Xero
Many people in America (mostly our politicians) seem to think of porn as a modern invention and a cancer of society. This is entirely untrue. It can be traced as far back as our cave dwelling ancestors who painted on the walls. Many of these paintings are very explicit featuring male genitalia of impossible proportions and nude women. I think that porn is perfectly fine (as long as it's not child porn or something along those lines).

Viva la pornografia! Viva la hentai! :biggrin:
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